Maker of my Saw?

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Maker of my Saw?

Postby DucksinOR » September 17th, 2016, 10:13 am

I got this saw at a local antique store. The only marking on its N. 438 stamped on each end of the blade. One handle is marked Atkins and the other is unmarked. There is no visible paint on either end and it is crescent taper ground. The blade is 66'' long. Any ideas?
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Re: Maker of my Saw?

Postby Jim_Thode » September 17th, 2016, 12:02 pm

The N.438 is likely a previous owners mark or ID. Based on shape and tooth pattern it looks like a Simonds No 13 saw. The "shorter" raker on the ends is quite unique.

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Re: Maker of my Saw?

Postby DucksinOR » September 18th, 2016, 6:03 pm

Do you have any idea how this saw fell in Simonds quality? I figured that it was a good saw when I bought it because it was crescent taper ground and did not appear to have been abused and did not have a lot of rust on it. I had been looking at Craig's list and a lot of the saws are worn out and badly rusted.
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Re: Maker of my Saw?

Postby Jim_Thode » September 19th, 2016, 8:37 am

You can find a Simonds catalog at: http://www.crosscutsawyer.com/download/file.php?id=10

The No 13 was recommended for extra hard and frozen timber. It was more common on the east coat then the west cost. As far as quality, I could not find a price list right off but likely was near the upper level with 6 gauges of taper. The Simonds Royal Chinooks were the most desired, at least on the west coast and likely cost the most of any Simonds saws. The cost and quality seems to be directly related the the thickness and stiffness of the saw. The Royal Chinooks teeth are about 0.104" thick and I would guess that the No. 13 is thinner.

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Re: Maker of my Saw?

Postby PATCsawyer » September 19th, 2016, 10:30 am

I have several 13s and find them to be excellent saws. The steel is pretty tough though and will not swage easily. First video is a 4-1/2' 13 cutting a deadfall ash. Specs are 0.010" set and 0.012" raker depth. Second is a 5' #13 on a deadfall oak 10/10. If you look closely at the photo, you will notice bi-directional grind marks, which are often present on the 13 and the 113.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WF7oDvrtZFU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLN56wGc7zw

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Re: Maker of my Saw?

Postby DucksinOR » September 19th, 2016, 6:56 pm

Thanks for the tip on the toughness. For my fist time sharpening it, I don't think I am going to swage the rakers, but I noted that that the previous owner had swaged the rakers so maybe I should try it. I have all the parts for my vise now I just need to assemble it and then I can start sharpening.
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Re: Maker of my Saw?

Postby goodfeller » September 20th, 2016, 7:21 am

Nice saw. The 1924 Wood, Alexander and James, Ltd catalog listed the 66" Simonds #13 Hardwood Special Straight Back at $13.00 which would have put it a the higher end of the market Equivalent Disston and Atkins was going for around $8.00 or $9.00.
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